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	<title>Comments on: Linden Lab thinks about RL/SL friends matching</title>
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		<title>By: Google releases Contacts Data API &#8212; mrtopf.de</title>
		<link>http://mrtopf.de/blog/second-life/linden-lab-thinks-about-letting-you-find-your-rl-friends-in-second-life/#comment-619</link>
		<dc:creator>Google releases Contacts Data API &#8212; mrtopf.de</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as Linden Lab wanted to match new signups with existing ones (hopefully via opt-in) this might be quite useful for them to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Real Life connections in Second Life? &#124; Digado</title>
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		<dc:creator>Real Life connections in Second Life? &#124; Digado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] now I stumbled upon &#8216;Linden Lab thinks about RL/SL friends matching&#8216; over on the mrtopf.de blog, discussing an interesting proposal by Linden Labs (Second Life) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] now I stumbled upon &#8216;Linden Lab thinks about RL/SL friends matching&#8216; over on the mrtopf.de blog, discussing an interesting proposal by Linden Labs (Second Life) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Taran Rampersad</title>
		<link>http://mrtopf.de/blog/second-life/linden-lab-thinks-about-letting-you-find-your-rl-friends-in-second-life/#comment-616</link>
		<dc:creator>Taran Rampersad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, this is where anonymity parts ways from other things. You can discuss &#039;social network retention&#039;, I suppose, but then there is another aspect that is dismissed out of hand when that is done: People meeting each other within world, with their anonymity, and finding things that they do enjoy. 
 
I believe that the two can coexist. If there is an option to coexist, the anonymity issue must be spoken to or protected. A default of &#039;opt out&#039; makes sense to me. 
 
Whether this will actually help with retention is something open to speculation. I do not believe that it will help with Second Life retention. Where most social networks tend to fail are by trying to be everything to everyone. Sure, you can study the successes - but you learn a lot more by studying the failures. 
 
The failures actually have a lot in common with the successes. 
 
This is all preemptive for the open sourcing of the server code, anyway. Is it in my interest to help people make money off of my friends? Hmm. :-) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this is where anonymity parts ways from other things. You can discuss &#039;social network retention&#039;, I suppose, but then there is another aspect that is dismissed out of hand when that is done: People meeting each other within world, with their anonymity, and finding things that they do enjoy. </p>
<p>I believe that the two can coexist. If there is an option to coexist, the anonymity issue must be spoken to or protected. A default of &#039;opt out&#039; makes sense to me. </p>
<p>Whether this will actually help with retention is something open to speculation. I do not believe that it will help with Second Life retention. Where most social networks tend to fail are by trying to be everything to everyone. Sure, you can study the successes &#8211; but you learn a lot more by studying the failures. </p>
<p>The failures actually have a lot in common with the successes. </p>
<p>This is all preemptive for the open sourcing of the server code, anyway. Is it in my interest to help people make money off of my friends? Hmm. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: LL Wants To Violate Your Privacy &#124; Second Life Sucks</title>
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		<dc:creator>LL Wants To Violate Your Privacy &#124; Second Life Sucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to show that I&#8217;m not making this crap up, check this out, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Christian Scholz</title>
		<link>http://mrtopf.de/blog/second-life/linden-lab-thinks-about-letting-you-find-your-rl-friends-in-second-life/#comment-615</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Scholz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would only need to look through those who already are in Second Life and opted in for that service. 
 
Of course you can do it any other way but the goal here was to make it easier for new people in SL to find somebody they already know. Because of retention, because you usually only stay on social networks/whatevers of you know somebody. 
 
Social Networks usually give you means to look for people you might already know because of retention, because it makes less sense otherwise. 
 
And it has to be easy. Very easy.. Thus telling somebody to please email everybody if they are in SL and want to be their friend is not an easy solution. 
 
So in fact it creates less work because those the possibly matching people are filtered out automatically without you having to do that. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would only need to look through those who already are in Second Life and opted in for that service. </p>
<p>Of course you can do it any other way but the goal here was to make it easier for new people in SL to find somebody they already know. Because of retention, because you usually only stay on social networks/whatevers of you know somebody. </p>
<p>Social Networks usually give you means to look for people you might already know because of retention, because it makes less sense otherwise. </p>
<p>And it has to be easy. Very easy.. Thus telling somebody to please email everybody if they are in SL and want to be their friend is not an easy solution. </p>
<p>So in fact it creates less work because those the possibly matching people are filtered out automatically without you having to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Taran Rampersad</title>
		<link>http://mrtopf.de/blog/second-life/linden-lab-thinks-about-letting-you-find-your-rl-friends-in-second-life/#comment-614</link>
		<dc:creator>Taran Rampersad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That&#8217;s why I was talking about having privacy controls in place is important. But I personally would like to be found by somebody searching for me. So why not give me the possibility to do so?&quot; 
 
Fair enough. But can&#039;t you already do that without all these intricacies already? That is really my point. If you have a website, for example, you can do that. Your first life in your profile within SL also works. Email signatures. There are many, many ways to do this. Adding another way that can have negative results and creates more work for everyone doesn&#039;t seem like something I would want. 
 
Frankly, I have an email address book with thousands of names. Do I really want to have to sift through these email addresses and decide who I want to know in a certain environment? 
 
There is a lot to be said for human interaction. Automating human interaction is what is on the table here, from what I can tell. I&#039;m sorry. If I want to know you, I will find you - or I&#039;ll email you directly and ask you. 
 
And serendipity is also a nice thing too. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;That&rsquo;s why I was talking about having privacy controls in place is important. But I personally would like to be found by somebody searching for me. So why not give me the possibility to do so?&quot; </p>
<p>Fair enough. But can&#039;t you already do that without all these intricacies already? That is really my point. If you have a website, for example, you can do that. Your first life in your profile within SL also works. Email signatures. There are many, many ways to do this. Adding another way that can have negative results and creates more work for everyone doesn&#039;t seem like something I would want. </p>
<p>Frankly, I have an email address book with thousands of names. Do I really want to have to sift through these email addresses and decide who I want to know in a certain environment? </p>
<p>There is a lot to be said for human interaction. Automating human interaction is what is on the table here, from what I can tell. I&#039;m sorry. If I want to know you, I will find you &#8211; or I&#039;ll email you directly and ask you. </p>
<p>And serendipity is also a nice thing too.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Scholz</title>
		<link>http://mrtopf.de/blog/second-life/linden-lab-thinks-about-letting-you-find-your-rl-friends-in-second-life/#comment-613</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Scholz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spamming my complete address book (or even just selected friends) with asking them if they are on a new network I just joined might also put some friendships at risk ;-) 
Then I think it&#039;s much better to know in advance who is on this network and be able to find them. This is usually not a problem with social networks because you can find people under their realname. It&#039;s not really possible with Second Life even if you wish to do so. 
People who do not wish to be found can simply say &quot;no&quot;. But again it&#039;s the question of opt-in and opt-out. 
 
I know that an email address is not a friend. A friend is a friend. That&#039;s why I was talking about having privacy controls in place is important. But I personally would like to be found by somebody searching for me. So why not give me the possibility to do so? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spamming my complete address book (or even just selected friends) with asking them if they are on a new network I just joined might also put some friendships at risk ;-)<br />
Then I think it&#039;s much better to know in advance who is on this network and be able to find them. This is usually not a problem with social networks because you can find people under their realname. It&#039;s not really possible with Second Life even if you wish to do so.<br />
People who do not wish to be found can simply say &quot;no&quot;. But again it&#039;s the question of opt-in and opt-out. </p>
<p>I know that an email address is not a friend. A friend is a friend. That&#039;s why I was talking about having privacy controls in place is important. But I personally would like to be found by somebody searching for me. So why not give me the possibility to do so?</p>
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		<title>By: Taran Rampersad</title>
		<link>http://mrtopf.de/blog/second-life/linden-lab-thinks-about-letting-you-find-your-rl-friends-in-second-life/#comment-612</link>
		<dc:creator>Taran Rampersad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, writing code to give the person the options that they already have in a new way? I fail to see how that is useful. Further, it can actually put some friendships at risk. 
 
An email address is not a friend. Separate the two. An email address associated with a Second Life account may not be the same as a friend. People have alternative Second Life existences. 
 
No, no, there are plenty of things that already work. There is a Facebook/SL app, for example. 
 
From a technical standpoint, I have never found reinventing the wheel worthwhile. From a user standpoint, I think that it diminishes the weight of a connection I have with friends. 
 
And as a human being, I don&#039;t like to be thought of as an email address to be harvested. ;-) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, writing code to give the person the options that they already have in a new way? I fail to see how that is useful. Further, it can actually put some friendships at risk. </p>
<p>An email address is not a friend. Separate the two. An email address associated with a Second Life account may not be the same as a friend. People have alternative Second Life existences. </p>
<p>No, no, there are plenty of things that already work. There is a Facebook/SL app, for example. </p>
<p>From a technical standpoint, I have never found reinventing the wheel worthwhile. From a user standpoint, I think that it diminishes the weight of a connection I have with friends. </p>
<p>And as a human being, I don&#039;t like to be thought of as an email address to be harvested. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Scholz</title>
		<link>http://mrtopf.de/blog/second-life/linden-lab-thinks-about-letting-you-find-your-rl-friends-in-second-life/#comment-611</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Scholz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course you should be able to choose those people you want to notify before notifications are sent out. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course you should be able to choose those people you want to notify before notifications are sent out.</p>
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		<title>By: Taran Rampersad</title>
		<link>http://mrtopf.de/blog/second-life/linden-lab-thinks-about-letting-you-find-your-rl-friends-in-second-life/#comment-610</link>
		<dc:creator>Taran Rampersad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fail to see how people&#039;s friends are the only ones in their address books, for example. There are simply too many holes in the existing paradigms that need to be addressed. 
 
The best way to check if your friends are in Second Life is to email them yourself... personally. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fail to see how people&#039;s friends are the only ones in their address books, for example. There are simply too many holes in the existing paradigms that need to be addressed. </p>
<p>The best way to check if your friends are in Second Life is to email them yourself&#8230; personally.</p>
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